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otis t carr

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the man who patented a saucer by michael

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locke

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in the late 1950s

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flying saucers had been in the public

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consciousness for about a decade the

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shock of the arnold sighting and the

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ufos over washington dc had worn off

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saucers though still mysterious were now

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familiar the government was actively

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running its third investigation into the

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reports of unidentified flying objects

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hollywood was incorporating the now

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iconic saucer craft into films of all

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budgets books had been printed on

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saucers and ufo magazines were on

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newsstands every week

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a new culture was being born around the

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flying saucers and the possibility of

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alien contact

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many people claim to have been contacted

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by extraterrestrials and some even

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claimed to have ridden in their crafts

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others maintained that they had been

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given messages for their fellow

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earthlings from the space brothers or

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the comely venusians out of this

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environment came long john nebel and his

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party line radio show broadcasting over

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six days a week on new york's w-o-r he

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often brought together a panel of

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commentators from a variety of fields to

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help him interview guests

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the paranormal was a common focus and

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ufos were a favorite topic neville

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regularly brought in contactees such as

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george van tassel and researchers such

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as ivan t sanderson

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in april of 1958 longjohn neville

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interviewed for the first time otis t

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carr the president of otc enterprises

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who was marketing his own flying saucer

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the first unit would cost 20 million

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dollars delivered but subsequent units

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would be able to be produced for 4

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million each otis t carr was not a

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contactee nor did he claim that his

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circular foil spacecraft had any alien

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technology in its design instead he

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claimed that he had taken the work of

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nikola tesla the inventor of radio and

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proponent of ac power transmission and

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developed an entirely new type of

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propulsion the utron electrical

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accumulator was described by carr as not

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a perpetual motion device but a

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self-energizing machine that combined

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electromotive electromagnetic and

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gravity forces in a unified field he

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told long john nebel and his panel that

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he even corresponded with and was

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briefly advised by albert einstein the

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craft would operate in both the vacuum

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of space and earth's atmosphere offering

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speeds and handling superior to any

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conventional aircraft best of all

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occupants would require neither g suits

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or spacesuits the utron powered ship was

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to be saucer shaped and 45 feet in

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diameter this size was designed to allow

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a crew of three to travel in comfort

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thanks to a capacitative plate that

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would spin counterclockwise while the

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body of the ship moved in a clockwise

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direction carr maintained that the ship

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would enjoy near-earth gravity while in

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space the cabin would be pressurized

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like a conventional aircraft or

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submarine best of all he posited that

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his flying saucer would be able to fly

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from earth to the moon in only four to

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five hours it would also be able to take

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longer trips to visit other planets if

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desired

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although otc enterprises had yet to

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build a working prototype cart did bring

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equipment models and various brochures

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and sales literature to the party line

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for panel members to examine among the

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materials presented was a utron

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electrical accumulator which was a

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simple two-piece device carr explained

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that he had sent his materials not only

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to the atomic energy commission but also

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directly to president eisenhower and

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other government agencies he also seemed

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genuinely surprised that he had not

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received a single response from any

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level of government

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in 1959 otis carr would receive a u.s

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patent for his flying saucer although it

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was identified as a

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amusement device

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today the patent drawing is available on

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the u.s patent office website under

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carr would return to long john neville

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show again later in 1958 and in 1959

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by then he claimed to be ready to

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demonstrate his flying saucer so long

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john took his show on the road to

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oklahoma city in april of 1959 to

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witness the maiden flight of carr's

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device

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at an amusement park called frontier

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city the liftoff was to be a simple test

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flight in anticipation of a trip to the

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moon scheduled for december

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carr was to be the pilot and major wayne

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ajo another frequent guest of long john

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nebel would be co-pilot it was ajo who

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had served as a combat intelligence

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officer in the army who would be

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piloting the ship on its voyage to the

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moon in december although carr had

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claimed to see flying saucers on three

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separate occasions he was not a

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contactee he also stated that when he

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saw the saucers he felt that they

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confirmed his theories but he did not

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claim to derive any of his technology

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from extraterrestrials

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aha though was a contactee who would go

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on to organize an effort in the late

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1970s to convince president carter to

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appoint an official u.s ambassador to

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space

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the craft never flew

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in fact otis carr never even showed

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himself at the amusement park he had

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been missing in the days leading up to

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the launch but was found in a local

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hospital by long john nebel on the day

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before the launch

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in an interview taped in his hospital

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room carr stated that even though the

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craft was not fully assembled he

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expected that it would be launched as

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scheduled barring some unforeseen

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mechanical or circuit failure the type

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of thing he compared to a flat tire

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a couple of hours after the ship was

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supposed to take off wayne ajo announced

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that a mis-engineered bearing would

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force the demonstration to be

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rescheduled

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the party line broadcast dedicated to

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cars scheduled maiden flight which

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includes both live and taped portions

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still survives today in it the prototype

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is described in the broadcast as still

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being in pieces during a taped visit to

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the warehouse where it was stored

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shortly before the scheduled flight

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although long john nibble seems to have

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lost interest in car after the cancelled

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demonstration otc enterprises continued

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to seek investors and maintain that its

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utron technology was legitimate

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unfortunately there were those among the

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law enforcement community that disagreed

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with the stance

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carr his director of sales and

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engineering norman evans colton and

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wayne ajo all eventually were charged

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aha was exonerated but the others were

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convicted

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after his conviction

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carr faded from the ufo scene and seems

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to have passed away in the early 1980s

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in pennsylvania although some sources

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such as the project camelot webpage on

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their interviews with ralph ring state

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that he passed away in nevada in 2005 at

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which time he would have been

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approximately 101 years old

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in recent years a man named ralph ring

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has surfaced claiming to have once been

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a technician in otis carr's employ he

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maintained that several models had

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actually flown and that a 45-foot

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prototype was also successfully flown

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ring stated that he had in fact been

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part of a three-man crew that made a

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near instantaneous journey of 10 miles

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in the larger aircraft

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unfortunately government agents came and

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forced carr's laboratory to shut down

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seizing both research notes and

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equipment

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despite the fact that no scheduled

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public launch was ever completed and the

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convictions given to both carr and

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colton some still believe that his utron

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powered circular foil craft was an